Jul 10, 2019

Long term - update

With some delay the next long term update.
No big surprises - the USD with ugly pattern, but still the expected a-b-c and precious metals/miners with a low in Q2, but it does not look like important low rather just intermediate term low.

The current view for the next 6 months:
- Stocks - final wave lower for wave 4 from 2009 to begin, possible surprise flat b/B and one more high later this year.
- Bonds - another month or two higher and bonds should turn lower again.
- USD - one more leg higher to finish the move which begun early 2018.
- Precious metals/miners - high in July/August and final sell off for the 4 year cycle to begin.
- Crude Oil - like the stock indexes - wave C lower with possible surprise one more high for B.

We saw multi month rally as expected. The big picture - we should see one more sell off to finish w4 from 2009 with 4 year cycle low in 2020. Possible surprise is flat for b/B and one more rally to around 3050 before the reversal lower.

I was expecting multi month move higher and it is playing out. Next we should 4 year cycle high in the next few months and decline.

10 year yield - I expect one more low to finish a-b-c and RSI divergence, then higher at least to the resistance zone.

The pattern is challenging:) Many see the USD plunging lower and PM to the moon, but I think the USD move up is not over.

The USD bears see diagonal and sharp plunge, I think it is wave 2 or B and the low should be tested late 2019/early 2020.
The pattern is a mess looking at RSI I see one wave lower and zig-zag higher that is why I do not bet on ED for wave C and reversal rather wave 2 or B.

Long term I expect big A-B-C pattern and important 16 year cycle high(USD low) 2025-2026, but at the moment I can not say how complex it will be.
The first option with complex wave B

Or simple zig-zag like this

JPY - from the late 2016 low it is a mess, for me this is some complex corrective crap(only zig-zags to the upside) and we have not seen the 4 year cycle low. You have sequence 4y low(green) -> 4y high(red) -> 4y low(green) and so on. What I want to say - you can not have two 4y cycle highs without 4y cycle low between them, you can not expect to see a strong rally for 4/8 year cycle high before we see the next 4 year cycle low....
I can not see simple B wave like EUR/USD, only the complex pattern seems to fit....

USD/JPY - mirror image... the pattern is more complex and it takes longer than expected, but it has not changed.

We saw declines into May as expected, gold/GDX strong and silver/GDXJ close to the lows from 2017... but this is not 4 year cycle low. It looks like much bigger corrective pattern which begun August-September last year and I expect to see one more sell off for 4 year cycle low. Many including the most "experts" with paid subscription jumping on the break out train, but if the low is in it was in 2017 with 4 year cycle lasting 2.9 years... I do not think so. Only gold is stronger and could make higher low.

GOLD the strongest from the PM sector with shallow decline from February to May. The consensus is for a break out higher.... I can not see important low. The same thoughts about cycles like JPY above before a rally we need to see 4 year cycle low. The possible pattern is some kind of flat - running or expanded. When the pattern is finished we should see strong rally in 2020 for 8 year cycle high

Silver much weaker - one or two months to finish the current move up, then we should see one more sell off.... the third 18m cycle and the 4 year cycle do not look complete.

Miners - similar idea I want to see 4 year cycle before a strong rally to 4/8 year cycle high. The two EW patterns are the same like for the EUR\USD shown above - something complex or huge C. The rally next year should give us a clue what exactly is going on.

Multi month corrective wave higher as expected. The pattern is tricky hanging in the middle at the moment... there is more to the downside, but one final higher high for b is possible. The big picture the same question like EUR/USD and PM sector something more complex or straight up for C.... we can only wait and see how it develops in 2020.

Natgas - I was expecting more to the downside to complete the move lower and this is what happened. In the next months we should see bigger and longer retracement higher at least to MA200 daily/MA50 weekly around 3-3.10
Similar to crude oil for Natgas seems that Benner cycle sequence 11-10-7 works better than Hurst cycles. History is too short, but it seems to work good - HIGHS - 90(7)97(11)2008(10)2018(7)2025 / LOWS - 92(10)2002(7)2009(11)2020(10)2030.
Next important low is in 2020 and the next high is in 2025 which fits with the EW pattern and the rest of the commodity complex.


  1. Thank you very much Krasi

  2. Thank you very much Krasi. Can you please advise on USD INR?

    1. It looks like wave 4 from the low 2007/2008 is running with target around 62-64 which is the previous w4 from lower degree and 38% retracement. Then higher again for wave 5.

  3. Krasi you expect sp and gold go up in 2020-2021, but if sp goes up gold should go down

    1. Than why both moved higher in 2009-2011 or in 2016 or now?

  4. Thank you very much Krasi for these charts. If possible, can you also comment on Indian stocks index SENSEX?

    1. Similar to the US indexes - looks like finished impulse from 2016... it could squeeze one final high, but now is lower for months

    2. Thank you Krasi! It's good to have you back. Hope you had a good vacation/break!

  5. Hi Krasi, as you had mentioned in the past, the SPX rally is mostly driven by tech firms. The rest of the sectors haven't seen the rally and many are close to their value price. With such a drop in SPX projected in the next few months, it implies the value stocks will decline further. I don't disagree with your analysis at all but I wonder how much room there is for these stocks to go down further. Given recent tax law changes and talk about interest rate cut, the P/E ratios are already attractive so I wonder how much room there is to go down that will take SPX to 2200-2300 levels. What are your thoughts?

  6. Value stocks, P/E, yields, tax law all this does not matter. All that matters is the mood and the pattern.
    Which are all this value stocks which did not rally? Quick look at the DJ 30 stocks - there is plenty of room to the downside.

    1. Thanks for the response, it makes sense!

  7. Hi Krasi.. spx should be in 3 of C now, it seems, with 1 ended on June 11. If we take 1.272 of fibo of 1 then the wave 3 should end around 3090-3100. Assuming that the subsequent wave 5 is really short or truncated 3100 should be the top at the minimum. This would be in line with the extensions from other waves lower and it would not violate the line of resistance around 3050-3100 that much. Would you agree?

    1. I see zig-zags I can not see impulse and third wave.

    2. I though c consisted of 5 waves like a from Jan till May 2019. An b was a zigzag.

    3. Ending diagonal or jus zig-zag for a flat b/B

    4. Do you exclude a possibility of 3 of c? Why?

    5. if there is 3 it is already finished hitting three times RSI 70 is not 3 starting it is 3 finishing. and there is high probability that today is the high or close to the high.

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    1. Yes, some corrective crap.. the next 20 points should be lower:)

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    1. Yes, it is more likely to see lower price.

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